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I, personally, think people require some source of faith in order to persevere. Not sure you can remove the religious or spiritual elements or God from the equation. Generally, there is a reference to something transcendental — something beyond ourselves. No way to sanitize it.

God or gods have been part of the equation since the earliest civilizations were established.

And at the same time, organized religions are responsible for death, genocide, oppression, slavery, etc. I feel it’s a bit of a double bind — no way around and no way out.

A few select quotes from Sam Harris, The End of Faith

Religion - like nationalism - is a neurotic response to reality. ✔️ Yep. definitely can be.

Humanity has invented myriads of reasons to kill one another, and the belief in God is only one of them. But it is, inarguably, the most deeply revered. ✔️ Yep.

Religion has fundamentally failed to address the emerging bane of our civilization: the prospect of nuclear warfare. ✔️ Yep.

As long as religious tolerance does not grant Indians the freedom to convert to Christianity or Islam, it is not the value Western liberals imagine it to be. ✔️Yep.

Reason and humility require that we keep an open door of our tolerance open to every sane person who steps out of a religious community, leaving only its unhinged believers behind. ✔️ Yep.

But, then, these quotes from Harris from the same book are a bit disturbing:

The only solution to the problem of Islamic terrorism is to abolish the faith that creates it.

There are individual Muslim women who share [the] yearning for spiritual purity, but their charity and sincerity are not enough to lend 'divinity' to a system that is unwittingly pressing humanity into the brink of destruction.

Wonder what you think of Sam Harris. Have you read this book? My only exposure is through the podcast, Decoding the Gurus. The hosts are quite critical of Sam Harris as I recall. I’d have to relisten to podcast to know the nature of the critique.

Here’s two of their episode if you’re interested:

https://decoding-the-gurus.captivate.fm/episode/sam-harris

https://decoding-the-gurus.captivate.fm/episode/sam-harris-right-to-reply

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Suzanne Angela's avatar

I love the hopefulness you give us explaining that an apocalypse will reveal what we need to know. I see politics as becoming the vehicle for all these wonderful things that religion also can provide. Just last night I watched a special YouTube live event hosted by Oprah and with Kamala Harris. Your 5 item list was clearly used to structure the entire program! @matthewburdette has some really good thoughts on this. https://open.substack.com/pub/matthewburdette/p/we-no-longer-know-what-a-human-is?r=3n812o&utm_medium=ios

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